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Re: Clinical Sleep Educator exam

Postby dream police » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:05 pm

No, the credential is not required. This is all optional at this time. (Individual state licensure requirements is a whole other realm not really related to the CSE or CCSH.) There IS reimbursement for the functions that are performed (see attached) and no, the CSE or CCSH isn't required at this time for the reimbursement.

Bottom line, if you don't feel it's worth doing and don't see the value in it, then don't do it.
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Re: Clinical Sleep Educator exam

Postby somnonaut » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:26 pm

Thanks for the pdf.
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Re: Clinical Sleep Educator exam

Postby adarkknight86 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:47 am

Well I took the CSE and failed the first time in fact I know quite a few senior RPSGTs that failed the open book certificate exam both attempts. I believe that it was worth the 300$ I paid for because it educates you on something important to future proof yourselves because with the affordable healthcare act in lab studies are a thing of the past. It was fun while it lasted I personally get to witness this dying practice of in lab sleep studies and the techs that are losing their homes,jobs, etc. HSTs/APAP I would say are here to stay and it will only advance in years to come. Which means no need for an RPSGT anymore when the remstar apap scores it's own events...I would suggest obtaining the CCSH immediately just my opinon.
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Re: Clinical Sleep Educator exam

Postby adarkknight86 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:48 am

Well I took the CSE and failed the first time in fact I know quite a few senior RPSGTs that failed the open book certificate exam both attempts. I believe that it was worth the 300$ I paid for because it educates you on something important to future proof yourselves because with the affordable healthcare act in lab studies are a thing of the past. It was fun while it lasted I personally get to witness this dying practice of in lab sleep studies and the techs that are losing their homes,jobs, etc. HSTs/APAP I would say are here to stay and it will only advance in years to come. Which means no need for an RPSGT anymore when the remstar apap scores it's own events...I would suggest obtaining the CCSH immediately just my opinon.
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Re: Clinical Sleep Educator exam

Postby somnonaut » Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:21 pm

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Re: Clinical Sleep Educator exam

Postby adarkknight86 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:30 am

Yeah for how long will that continue to last? Back in the day Peds were ran as pneumograms which is basically attended HST. Like dream police stated it's optional. For those that want to believe in things like rotary telephones, VCRs, Cassette players...those pieces of technology went the way of the dinosaur and so will the DIAGNOSTIC portion of sleep as well. This is evolving into disease management OUTCOMES even the AAST is surprisingly with the BRPT on this subject. I know one thing that the CCSHs are HIGHER than the RPSGT and I don't want to be an RPSGT being told to hurry up and score a HST study for the CCSH. Just my 2 cents on the matter.
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Re: Clinical Sleep Educator exam

Postby somnonaut » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:20 pm

If a Clinical person is higher than the tech they will need MORE than a silly credential provided by the BRPT. The position you are sensing is an NP or a PA. We are not going to have clinical people above us that come with no licensing. WHat world do people really think is going to take place? A wholesale change to the needed medico-legal construct of clinical liability? This WAS the reason the field sought licensure legislation for sleep techs to begin with.
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Re: Clinical Sleep Educator exam

Postby adarkknight86 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:13 pm

Asthma and Diabetic Educators make a very good living and sleep is evolving into this type of disease management so there is already enough proof that this already exists in other allied healthcare. You seem like a very negative person like the tech that never gets a raise because of his bad attitude. I'm done here go troll somewhere else.
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Re: Clinical Sleep Educator exam

Postby somnonaut » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:12 am

LOL
Yeah OK, I'll put my 13K+ posts against your 5.
You seem like a plant from the BRPT.

My case in point is that the educators you mentioned both require further credentialing, RN, RT, or other 4 year degree in healthcare plus 2-4 years experience. Also, there are clear "needs" to help patients maintain their diabetes protocol and/or asthma protocol, it is called death. OSA does not have that severity. So the same thing that moves the testing out of the lab, will move the followup and possibly the actual diagnosis to over the counter solutions, not another level of clinicians. I know others will say OSA IS a risk to public and personal health through the sleep-deprived patient's actions (MVA etc), and I agree with this, but I do not see society bringing to bear a whole level of clinical specialists to deal with this possible eventuality.
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Re: Clinical Sleep Educator exam

Postby somnonaut » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:14 am

SO...this means that the BRPT is really only interested in preserving their role in sleep and not sleep techs. They should change their name.
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Re: Clinical Sleep Educator exam

Postby MrBig » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:56 am

somnonaut wrote:My case in point is that the educators you mentioned both require further credentialing, RN, RT, or other 4 year degree in healthcare plus 2-4 years experience.


So does the CCSH. The CSE pathway is only temporary, then either:

• CCSH Pathway 1: Clinical Experience. For candidates with at least 1000 hours of experience in clinical sleep health AND a bachelor’s degree or above.
• CCSH Pathway 2: Healthcare Credential. For candidates with an approved healthcare credential or license AND an associate’s degree or above.

There's already degree programs popping up:

http://www.oit.edu/online/degrees/clinical-sleep-health
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Re: Clinical Sleep Educator exam

Postby somnonaut » Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:39 am

ERgo, they should change their name.
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Re: Clinical Sleep Educator exam

Postby adarkknight86 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:45 pm

Yeah...so if I'm the BRPT plant what does that make you? Let me guess an RST??? No wonder your upset you riding with a organization of two faced Backstabbers. You should get out of sleep and go into janitorial arts that's where u belong. I'm proud to be an RPSGT, R.EEG.T.
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Re: Clinical Sleep Educator exam

Postby somnonaut » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:03 pm

"No wonder your upset you riding with a organization of two faced Backstabbers."
This speaks volumes.

You are obviously a BRPT sympathizer or lackey. I have many things against the BRPT due to their shortsighted approach they have taken over the last 15-20 years, which now proves how shortsighted they actually have been. They circled the wagons back in the early 2000's and now find their encampment under siege and find no one to align with. RST? You feel the ABSM is the problem with the BRPT? The ABSM can actually end up being the savior in all of this. Ever since the Medical Boards were handed over (stripped) to the ABIM et al to administer, Sleep has taken on a larger role in medicine and the need for other Non-techs to be credentialed in sleep is loud and vociferous and not a call that the BRPT can actually fill under the mantle they are presently holding (Board of POLYSOMNOGRAPHIC TECHNOLOGISTS.) They need to be called something ELSE and have a NEW mission statement and a whole new governance (finally.) Hopefully this new entity will finally be transparent and true to its objective and corporate charter.

If as you say, "For those that want to believe in things like rotary telephones, VCRs, Cassette players...those pieces of technology went the way of the dinosaur and so will the DIAGNOSTIC portion of sleep as well. This is evolving into disease management OUTCOMES even the AAST is surprisingly with the BRPT on this subject." that polysomnography is done, then the BRPT is finished as well. What role do you think an organization that provides a registry for TECHNOLOGISTS would/should have in this brave new world you are painting of non-technical/clinical workers?

BTW, if as you say "...technology went the way of the dinosaur and so will the DIAGNOSTIC portion of sleep as well." then the whole field of sleep will move OTC and there will be no diagnosing of any of it. You are equating OSA with SLEEP. The argument that has been made since day one in the HST argument.

You obviously have no relevant or engaging thoughts on the matter of the future of sleep, which is surprising coming from someone with those credentials. Neuro-based people are usually the hold-outs for human assessment of waveforms and not ones to jump on the algorithm bandwagon.

Fortunately, I do nothing but think about the field of sleep; so while you are bounding away doing whatever it will be called when you get steered to where you end up going, you will look at the helm of the ship and see me smiling.
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Re: Clinical Sleep Educator exam

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