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Free markets in healthcare - ACA

Postby wiffle » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:16 pm

Time to celebrate. Did some shopping for my annual bloodwork and SURPRISE! The locals are competing! You see - under ObamaCare I lost covered labs as part of preventative medicine - sound familiar?

Right - so I started by asking my doc where he thought I might find cheaper self pay bloodwork. Not only are there the national standalones - BUT - now the local physician groups got into the act - and NOW the hospital is reacting with it's own self pay program!

Exciting times folks - when the individual mandate is repealed we will see these spirits start to work for healthcare. I still think that the physicians will want the comorbids to have sleep studies - so we must step up our game and make sure we are giving our patients the best we have to offer

Time to slice and dice the bloated ACA! HURRAH!
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Postby somnonaut » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:58 pm

Free market is the WORST thing to introduce into healthcare. It will not be transparent as to where the reduction in services will be happening. Of course wiffle never answered my other questions in his last self-congratulatory stealing of an election. Welcome to the Kremlin West, and Putin's American. America has been fleeced once again.
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Postby somnonaut » Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:06 pm

The idiocy that is free markets in healthcare is the same idiocy of less regulations in healthcare. Imagine not having drugs being tested for safety? Yes, this is what is on the chopping block with Trumpism. All that has made America what it is, is from regulations controlling the rapacious nature of capitalism. It is funny to hear the Trumpettes all scream about NO REGULATIONS, but then INCREASE regulations in regards to immigrants and those seeking asylum. They have to go through MORE checking (regulations.) The hypocrisy of this idiocy knows no bounds.
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Postby wiffle » Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:57 pm

Free markets are entering healthcare where the oversight mechanisms are still in place. The FDA will not be abolished. But ObamaCare will be!!!

Yes - the ACA will be rendered and deleted and erased from public consciousness. We will then see UL and FDA approved modern healthcare equipment become available in ways that we have yet to imagine. Inpatient stays will remain expensive - but most testing and diagnostic equipment and their operators will become more efficient.

Meanwhile - after the ACA is history - we will be able to shop across state lines for various insurance type products and folks will get very sensible HSA plans to augment the entire process. Thank GOD Trump was elected. All hail President elect Donald Trump!
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Postby somnonaut » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:44 pm

HAHAHA "the ACA will be rendered and deleted and erased from public consciousness."

Except for Pre-existing conditions coverage, which EVERYONE LOVES.
Except for FREE yearly doctor visits which EVERYONE LOVES.
Except for your kids being able to stay on your plan till 26, which EVERYONE LOVES.

Oh, so you idjits will change SUBSIDIES to TAX CREDITS and think you got rid of OBAMACARE. HAHAHA morons.

So, let's see how your local blood letting establishment will change:
Will they still be REQUIRED to use single use needles? REGULATIONS
Will they still be REQUIRED to use liccensed/certifired phlebotomists? REGULATIONS
Will they still be required to use the REGULATED calibrations ot their machines and STANDARDS for testing of the blood? REGULATIONS
Will they be allowed to send the blood willy-nilly to any entity on earth (OH MY, WILL FREE MARKET HEALTHCARE BE ALLOWED TO USE GLOBAL SUPPLY CHAIN, NO) REGULATIONS
Will they be allowed to send your information in any old fashion to whoever they wish? HIPAA REGULATIONS

It is beyond stupid to think that much will change. People have become used to the protections of REGULATIONS. Those poor corporations that cannot function within their milieu of EVER CHANGING and IMPROVING REGULATIONS should fold. But, no, Trumpism to make it all a RACE TO THE BOTTOM and now the government will support those crappy companies that really should not be around. Sort of like what all on the right said to do to GM and Chrysler. Let them fail. So, let these corporations fail. OTHERS should fill the void as is supposed to happen in a TRUE FREE MARKET. We should NOT make the common denominator of doing business so low that ANYONE in any back alley and garage can do the prcocess. But you idjits are just coming to realize the shit that is Trump. We, in NY have tried to warn you.We have seen this turd run on and on for decadesand do nothing but promote himself and his make believe name. It is NOT Trump, his family name is really DRUMPF. Look it up. http://www.snopes.com/donald-drumpf/

Drumpf is a FRAUD and CHARLATAN. It is NOT offshoring that is stealing jobs, it is the driving of efficiencies in production, robotisation and streamling of the production flows that have gotten business their increased profits over the last decade. Look it up. THE RUSTBELT JOBS ARE GONE. As more stooges like Drumpf BUY CHINESE Steel it is only harder to think that the rustbelt will make a comeback in those jobs. And just as with businesses, if it no longer functions in the milieu it must EVOLVE. THAT is what has to happen to those workers in the rustbelt. Re-tool, Re-train, Re-educate. How funny is it that DRUMPF counted on the un-educated to pull off the election heist.
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Postby somnonaut » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:01 pm

Oh and the Carrier bullshit in Indiana....HAHA Pence stole $700,000 of Indiana taxpayer money to outright PAY Carrier A RANSOM to stay.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watc ... a_20161201

Oh the hypocrisy is so glorious and moronic.
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Postby wiffle » Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:37 am

ACA - history

Obama - history

Clinton - history

DONALD J TRUMP - president elect of the United States of America

Muahahahahahahah!!
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Postby somnonaut » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:33 am

Still have to make it past Dec 19 buckeroo.

"Drain the swamp" = Utter malarkey. Dickhead Donald plans to put every last piece of GOP filth, newt and vermin in the swamp into his admin. HYSTERICAL to see the lunatics climbing out from under the rocks. Ken Blackwell? OMG, Palin, LOL

Treasonous Trump cannot fulfill his campaign promises as many are directly opposed to each other. He is a lying moron only exceeded by those desperate fools who voted for him...THE MINORITY BTW.

Have fun owning every piece of GOP legislation that will come down the pike. There will not be one piece of legislation that will benefit the working stiff. NONE. It will be total handouts to corporations. The dimwitted have introduced fascism into Murikkka. No more Dem bogeyman skirts for pussy GOP turds to hide behind. Now you morons will have to actually legislate, which you have sworn to Grover Norquist to not do. Oh right, again abrogating their oaths of office by pledging fealty to a higher cause, Grover Norquist and his wife and their no tax hike for ANY REASON pledge=TREASON.
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... directors/

Obamacare will live. Of course it will. It was and is good legislation. America has become a great country BECAUSE of legislation like the ACA. It will move forward and the GOP won't repeal it, as this IS their plan anyway, RomneyCare. Read a book wifflestein.

President Barack Obama will be recorded as one of the top 3 Presidents EVER especially facing the subversive, OBSTRUCTION and outright treasonous headwinds provided by the treasonous GOP since day one of his Presidency. (And Raygun, the other traitor, will not be in the list.) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/6/8/ ... rank-Luntz

It truly is amazing how people have allowed Trump to play their desperation like a Stradivarius. And now the same corporations that screwed them out of their middle class jobs will steal their grandkids inheritance with everyone smiling at Trump saying he is such a savior. It is a study in desperation. Trump is truly the Harold Hill of our time. Look it up. "Right here in River City." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60hOgqLFGg
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Postby somnonaut » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:42 am

Seventy-six Jabronies in Trump's parade
With a hundred and ten morons close at hand.
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Postby somnonaut » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:02 am

10 other things you didn't realize you'd miss about Obamacare.

1. Placed caps on insurance company profits by generally requiring insurers to spend at least 80 percent of their money on patient care rather than on administrative expenses like executive bonuses and salaries.

2. Created rules for charitable hospitals to develop financial aid plans for and limit costs to low-income patients, and required charitable hospitals to assess whether patients qualify for financial aid before sending debt collectors after them.

3. Covered domestic violence screening and counseling for all adolescent and adult women, and exempted victims of domestic violence from fees for not buying insurance.

4. Established a research institute for comparing the effectiveness of different drugs and treatments.

5. Created the Prevention and Public Health Fund to encourage improvement in public and community health. This year, $932 million funded programs to address diabetes, Alzheimer’s, hospital-acquired infections, lead poisoning, and more.

6. Provided an easier pathway to FDA approval for “biosimilar” drugs that are close or equivalent in structure to biologic drugs like vaccines, insulin, and human growth hormones that are already FDA-approved.

7. Allowed foster children to receive Medicare until they are 26, mirroring the better-known ACA rule that allows kids to stay on their parents’ insurance until that age, which Trump has said he’d like to keep.

8. Mandated break time in workplaces for nursing mothers, and required employers with more than 50 employees to give nursing mothers private spaces to pump breast milk.

9. Imposed a 10 percent excise tax on tanning bed customers, also known as the “Snooki tax.”

10. Required chain restaurants to display calorie counts on menus.

Oh, those "terrible things."
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Postby somnonaut » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:14 am

Oh OH wifflestein will we be allowed to buy drugs across countries to save THOUSANDS from overpriced Big Pharma chokehold on US pricing? Oh yeah, that is what a true FREE MARKET would allow. Pfft, as if.
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Postby wiffle » Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:39 pm

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Postby somnonaut » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:50 pm

Just like Trumpolini a make believe gold coin. Everything with Trumpolini is fake. Everything he stands for, everything he does, everything he says. LIES, falsehoods and fabrications. Have fun flipping your make believe gold coin. You do know that everything is Chump Tower is fake gold too. He is worth maybe a coupld hundred thousand grand, that's it. Its all fake.
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Postby somnonaut » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:51 pm

Still pussying out and not replying to any of the points I ask. So, Trumpian of you.
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Postby wiffle » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:05 am

LOL - don't have a cow - in 8 years you will have another shot. Bwahahahahahaha

But seriously - there is no need to throw a tantrum. after you complete the first 4 stages - you will be ok

Denial – The first reaction is denial. In this stage individuals believe the diagnosis is somehow mistaken, and cling to a false, preferable reality.
Anger – When the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue, they become frustrated, especially at proximate individuals. Certain psychological responses of a person undergoing this phase would be: "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; "Who is to blame?"; "Why would this happen?".
Bargaining – The third stage involves the hope that the individual can avoid a cause of grief. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. People facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek compromise.
Depression – "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die soon, so what's the point?"; "I miss my loved one, why go on?"
During the fourth stage, the individual despairs at the recognition of their mortality. In this state, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time mournful and sullen.
Acceptance – "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it; I may as well prepare for it."
In this last stage, individuals embrace mortality or inevitable future, or that of a loved one, or other tragic event. People dying may precede the survivors in this state, which typically comes with a calm, retrospective view for the individual, and a stable condition of emotions.
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